just a few feet away. i can't walk 15, 20 feet without having to just navigate through some -- well, i'm going to take you through it. i have to go down here and the camera's probably going all over the place because i'm in a ravine of debris. i have to start this way, come up here, watch my balance. everything is slippery, of course, because it's snowing. now i'm here and now i can kind of walk. >> sharp objects, twisted metal, concrete. not easy to walk around for anybody. another challenge was transmission. we transmitted by a be-gan or a satellite computer hookup where you can transmit images. costs $16 a minute. the computer has to point in a certain direction to hook up with the satellite. that was a challenge. another challenge, you have seen these before. m.r.e.s, meals ready to eat like the army in wartime.